Web Gems, November 22, 2013
I’ve been monitoring global web responses to Raghavan et al.’s “Upper Palaeolithic Siberian Genome Reveals Dual Ancestry of Native Americans” that appear in the comments sections on Dienekes, Gene Expression and Eurogenes sites. The Web Gem Reward of this week goes to Kristiina from Finland who poignantly asks:
“I would like someone to explain me why the ancient 15k Amerind admixture in Europeans is visible but the ancient massive East Asian admixture in Amerinds is not?”
It’s remarkable that out of thousands of people who visit these sites daily and sometimes leave a sentence or a paragraph behind, only one has proved able to actually cut to the chase. Human origins research is a fertile field for a social psychologist or a cultural anthropologist who can readily observe live and in the wild how hard it is for humans to think rationally and how much our thinking is affected by peer pressure.
Hello I wanted to know if you read my comment.I’m a student who took an anthro course and I still have trouble reading these admixture studies.You can reply to me via email.I stumbled onto your blog while browsing for more info on this paper that’s been blasted all over the media like they did last year with Dennis Stanfords book.I’d like to know your opinion on this topic.They make it seem like Native Americans are mixed with Europeans??I don’t see how that’s possible from the skeletal,dna,and dental data I’ve read.I’m of Central American descent so this topic interest me.Thank you
And I thought Spencer Wells already mention these old links in Central Asia before?
There is a common ancestor in Central Asia.
This man is a carrier of Y haplogroup P-M45.
It is the ancestor of both haplogroups Q and R
The Human Family Tree around 41:20
So I find it odd how some media outlets are using “western europeans” and “western eurasians” interchangeably.Are they just ignorant?
“Reich’s team found that populations they identified as Native American ancestors in Asia apparently also contributed genes to populations in northern Europe.
“Thus, both studies suggest a source population in Asia whose genes made their way east all the way to the Americas, and west, all the way to Europe.”
“Mal’ta might be a missing link, a representative of the Asian population that admixed both into Europeans and Native Americans,” Reich says.
So isn’t that what Spencer Wells found years ago?
German, have you any idea of the ethnicity of the South American Amerind individual who was sampled by Gravel et all (2014)? I’m hoping the source individual was a Botocudo or another of the putative Paleoamerican survivors.
Maybe you mean a different paper: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0083340;jsessionid=C700E4250E4937AF1859260CF4A6AE34?
Yes, that’s the one German. If you blogged on the Botocudo I would find it useful BTW.
I’m puzzled myself as to why the authors didn’t specify the name of that South American population.
So they didn’t find any of this “west eurasian” raghaavan postulated in this brazilian indian individual?I haven’t fully read it but it did say it revealed it had a close relation to the Eastern Asian populations and Aboriginal Australian.
German,I’ve been following your comments on here and other forums and just wow at the racist trash i hear from others still trying to appropriate the history and heritage native american .Didn’t know it still lingers even in academic circles i.e. doug owsley,walter neves along with a ton of amateurs out there on the internet
It’s bad enough we have the pseudo history frauds out there still parroting the tired old debunked trash of Ignacious Donnelly and Madame Balvatsky and their followers i.e. graham hancock,moundbuilder myth, lost tribe etc …now there are still “scientist” throwing out wild theories after another “solutrean”,kennewick, and now this new mal’ta buret culture that’s been blasted all over the media.
I just read a study that dna test of chachapoya mummies ,the ones the fringe historians have been trying to claim were a “white civilization” , had the typical native american haplogroups.Anthropological and archaeological studies I ‘ve read also showed them to be amerindian but I never heard a peep about this from the media with the headlines “long thought white tribe in south america dna tested to be native american and not european”.Wow the media is such a powerful bias and damaging tool!
I really like your bio, not that I fully agree with you theory,but I agree there still is a persisting eurocentric mindset in many of these academics.It’s just one shenanigan after another one.
Also I use these sources to debunk that solutrean crap that has been getting on my nerves.People just can not understand why it is not taken seriously yet I keep hearing people mention it as “truth”.These are the most recent papers.The last one I will be gladly waiting to be released soon.
“Refuting the technological cornerstone of the Ice-Age Atlantic crossing hypothesis” Eren et al 2013
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 40, Issue 7, July 2013, Pages 2934–2941:
“On Thin Ice: Problems with Stanford and Bradley’s Solutrean-Clovis Hypothesis.” Antiquity. O’Brien, M., M. Boulanger, M. Collard, B. Buchanan, L. Tarle, M.I. Eren et al 2014
Hey German Dziebel!!
I created a thread about Out-of-America on forum.biodiversity.com but the forum was hacked and the thread was deleted. Eliasalucard, the admin, recently got the forum back up and is trying to get important old threads back via memory/email notifications. Apparently i lost my ability to sent PM’s and he is not responding to my requests via email to get my old threads up.
if I may request, could you please send a message to him to get the Out-of-America thread back up again?
I don’t have access to Biodiversity anymore. Likely because of the hacking. If you still have access could you ask Alucard on my behalf to work to put out-of-America back up. Thanks.
I have reposted your theory on a thread on Forum.biodiversity forum: